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By Robert - 8/8/2006 2:08:56 AM
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Well I have always been a Dana 30 guy since thats what My Jeeps have came with and I would just carry Ujoints and axles adn just run em. Well I never once broke a ujoint or axle in a 30 with 35" tires even and 4.0, locked and not very easy.
Well now in my XJ the front D30 is the 90 disco that has I did the one piece shafts and a no slip in. But I am havnig Popping issues that are Not normal, Yeah yeah they make noice but this is not moving just turning the steering wheel left adn right. As well as flat towing with a tow bar I either have to fully remove teh front shaft or disconnect the front and rear, since the hubs are non selectable.
Then the steering is in need of work, with 7" of lift on a XJ its like 10 on a TJ in the draglnik angles. So the steering needs to be flipped at least.
So with all that said.. I guess I could just get some Yukon axles (380set) and then flip the steering for about 200 total in parts. And then see if the locker lets go or hope that the D30 isnt bent or such. Or..
I could get a Waggy front end for 250 complete caliper to caliper. Then get the XJ mounts on it and keep the stock tie rod and sleeve it, then weld the spyders, and gear it and R&R the brakes. all for about the same as the obove option or maybe less. and have the D30 to part out for some small $.
My deliema is that someone on another board is telling me that its not going to be worth the swap. To just do some yukons and Super joints and run it. But with 4:88's I feel very sketchy in R&P and the pop and the hubs wont be any better after.
Any thoughts here???
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By Brice - 8/8/2006 2:13:43 AM
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what size tires
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By Robert - 8/8/2006 2:38:40 AM
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well currently 35's but some day Maybe 36's or 37's...
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By Brice - 8/8/2006 2:59:12 AM
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someday as in the next year or 5 years from now?
if you plan on going bigger than 35s then throw a 44 under there for r&p strength. there is no shaft/joint difference between a 30/44
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By Elusive - 8/8/2006 3:49:01 AM
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I don't know if I trust the yukon chromo shafts. I watched Mike (LTCjeep) snap his with 36's and we never even knew it popped till way later.. it didn't even make a noise when it broke. He is VERY easy on his stuff too. I hammer everything I own and have had no problems with the warn shafts.
all that said. go with the 44
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By jeepinjoe - 8/8/2006 4:16:47 AM
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4 4
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By peteyg - 8/8/2006 7:21:26 AM
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I spent a LOT of money polishing my turdy, and in the end it was not worth it. If you have the option of getting a '44 for not a lot, then that's the way I would go.
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By Mr.N - 8/8/2006 9:13:12 AM
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Originally posted by peteyg
I spent a LOT of money polishing my turdy, and in the end it was not worth it. If you have the option of getting a '44 for not a lot, then that's the way I would go.
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By jollymon - 8/9/2006 11:25:18 AM
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Being one of those guys sporting a highly polished turdy... I'd do it over again. Honestly, by the time you regear, lock, and bracket out a 44 to fit your TJ, you've dumped alot of time and money into it... and you only have a stock D44 axle to show for it. IMHO, that's "equal" to a polished D30.
FWIW, my 4.88s, Alloy USA shafts, 760X, and lockrite in the LP30 spinning 36" TSLs has served me well so far (knock on wood and all that crap ). I've been hammer-down bouncing the front end quite a few times on hill climbs... the first few, I was VERY surprised nothing broke... then I started getting more comfortable that it would hold up to my "moderate" abuse. The tiny 4.88 pinion gear scared me at first, but it seems to be fine. Precision Gear 4.88s, BTW.
If I had larger tires in mind, I'd start looking for a HP60 (I'd just skip the 44... if yer gonna spend the $$ and effort, might as well do it right the first time), but I'm happy with 36s, so I'll continue to test my luck w/ my chrome-plated D30
-Trav
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By Sarges 7 - 8/9/2006 11:39:07 AM
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Well, I don't know too awful much about the 30, I've tended to replace it asap. The 44, however, I have never done anything but gears, stub shafts (Chevy style) and brakes to my 44's, (run stock shafts and joints), and wheeled the crap out of it hammer-down style with 36's (once bouncing the whole Jeep 2' in the air repeatedly, "bunny hop" style and also jumping the Jeep repeatedly) and I've never broken anything significant. I'd go 44, but that's just my opinion.
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By Robert - 8/9/2006 11:57:19 PM
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thanks for the input here all..
I was talked in to just doign some chromo axles and 760 joints with a super heavy cover that will fully stiffen the pumpkin and then just truss the housing a bit. Then in a few months when I can afford it I will do a ARB. IF I can get a good $ on a warn conv. kit I would do that also.
I Never want to limit my future plans, but honestly dont see going above 35's. SO with that said. By the time I did all self fab brackets, the full D44, a locker, gears, and new ujoints, as well as R&R the brakes, and still be left with only a stock shaft, LP (HP were more $ I found) housing, that just didnt seem like I would get away with for under 1000. IF I was starting from scratch and didnt have a locked, geared and great condish D30 already IT would be a no brainer for me. But since its only 380 for the shafts and then just fab work for the truss and 100 for a outrageous cover, I think thats more in my price range right now.
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By Elusive - 8/10/2006 12:14:03 AM
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It's always cheaper to do it right the first time
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By peteyg - 8/10/2006 12:16:19 AM
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Originally posted by jollymon
Being one of those guys sporting a highly polished turdy... I'd do it over again. Honestly, by the time you regear, lock, and bracket out a 44 to fit your TJ, you've dumped alot of time and money into it... and you only have a stock D44 axle to show for it. IMHO, that's "equal" to a polished D30.
FWIW, my 4.88s, Alloy USA shafts, 760X, and lockrite in the LP30 spinning 36" TSLs has served me well so far (knock on wood and all that crap). I've been hammer-down bouncing the front end quite a few times on hill climbs... the first few, I was VERY surprised nothing broke... then I started getting more comfortable that it would hold up to my "moderate" abuse. The tiny 4.88 pinion gear scared me at first, but it seems to be fine. Precision Gear 4.88s, BTW.
If I had larger tires in mind, I'd start looking for a HP60 (I'd just skip the 44... if yer gonna spend the $$ and effort, might as well do it right the first time), but I'm happy with 36s, so I'll continue to test my luck w/ my chrome-plated D30
-Trav
Trav, I had that EXACT combo, and it did serve me well for about 3 years. But, when it died, it was spectacular. Just sayin...
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By rajincajingt - 8/10/2006 12:26:19 AM
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Originally posted by Robert
thanks for the input here all..
I was talked in to just doign some chromo axles and 760 joints with a super heavy cover that will fully stiffen the pumpkin and then just truss the housing a bit. Then in a few months when I can afford it I will do a ARB. IF I can get a good $ on a warn conv. kit I would do that also.
I Never want to limit my future plans, but honestly dont see going above 35's. SO with that said. By the time I did all self fab brackets, the full D44, a locker, gears, and new ujoints, as well as R&R the brakes, and still be left with only a stock shaft, LP (HP were more $ I found) housing, that just didnt seem like I would get away with for under 1000. IF I was starting from scratch and didnt have a locked, geared and great condish D30 already IT would be a no brainer for me. But since its only 380 for the shafts and then just fab work for the truss and 100 for a outrageous cover, I think thats more in my price range right now.
that sounds like a good choise...
i did not have much luck with my polished 30 but that damn jeep was cursed.
save the money for the 60 though
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By Mr.N - 8/10/2006 2:21:37 PM
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Originally posted by rajincajingt
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Originally posted by Robert
thanks for the input here all..
I was talked in to just doign some chromo axles and 760 joints with a super heavy cover that will fully stiffen the pumpkin and then just truss the housing a bit. Then in a few months when I can afford it I will do a ARB. IF I can get a good $ on a warn conv. kit I would do that also.
I Never want to limit my future plans, but honestly dont see going above 35's. SO with that said. By the time I did all self fab brackets, the full D44, a locker, gears, and new ujoints, as well as R&R the brakes, and still be left with only a stock shaft, LP (HP were more $ I found) housing, that just didnt seem like I would get away with for under 1000. IF I was starting from scratch and didnt have a locked, geared and great condish D30 already IT would be a no brainer for me. But since its only 380 for the shafts and then just fab work for the truss and 100 for a outrageous cover, I think thats more in my price range right now.
that sounds like a good choise...
i did not have much luck with my polished 30 but that damn jeep was cursed.
save the money for the 60 though
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By rajincajingt - 8/15/2006 4:21:21 AM
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Originally posted by Mr.N
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Originally posted by rajincajingt
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Originally posted by Robert
thanks for the input here all..
I was talked in to just doign some chromo axles and 760 joints with a super heavy cover that will fully stiffen the pumpkin and then just truss the housing a bit. Then in a few months when I can afford it I will do a ARB. IF I can get a good $ on a warn conv. kit I would do that also.
I Never want to limit my future plans, but honestly dont see going above 35's. SO with that said. By the time I did all self fab brackets, the full D44, a locker, gears, and new ujoints, as well as R&R the brakes, and still be left with only a stock shaft, LP (HP were more $ I found) housing, that just didnt seem like I would get away with for under 1000. IF I was starting from scratch and didnt have a locked, geared and great condish D30 already IT would be a no brainer for me. But since its only 380 for the shafts and then just fab work for the truss and 100 for a outrageous cover, I think thats more in my price range right now.
that sounds like a good choise...
i did not have much luck with my polished 30 but that damn jeep was cursed.
save the money for the 60 though
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